Ken Patterson and Matt Heinzen of Minnesota-based developers Big John Games just put their most recent game, this week's DSiWare release Thorium Wars, to bed. We talked about their latest game and how it originated as a retail release.

Patterson, president of the company, talked a bit about their history, while Heinzen talked about what they learned from Spitfire Heroes and the tricks they used for Thorium Wars. The Packers/Vikings Monday Night Football game also came up briefly (before it happened).

Thanks to Ken Patterson and Matt Heinzen for coming on the show!

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Edited by Neal Ronaghan.