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Women and gaming: My perspective


On 08/27/2013 at 08:44 PM by Ranger1

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Since the subject of women and gaming is all over the internet these days, I figured “what the heck, why not?” and I'm going to weigh in on it once and for all.

Let me introduce myself. I am a gamer who happens to be female. I'm also 44 years old and have been gaming since I was 13, so not new to gaming. My favorite genres are RPGs and adventure games, but I like platformers, third-person shooters if there's a decent story involved, and some racing games. I play casual games and enjoy them in the evening after work because they allow me to relax and get my thoughts in order without having to really think about what I'm doing. I have only once succumbed to the lure of Facebook games, and felt a) cheated, and b) slightly soiled afterward. I'm a park ranger and my primary focus at the park I work at is maintenance. This is still a male-dominated field, by the way. So keep all that in mind while reading, because it has a lot to do with my viewpoint on the subject at hand.

 I will come right out and say that Anita Sarkeesian, although she has some very valid points, annoys the living shit out of me. Not because she's pointing a huge finger at the industry and calling them out, but because I don't feel she's really sincere about making positive changes in the industry. I think she's out to make a name for herself and she picked games to do it because they're an easy target.

Do I think there need to be changes made in the way women are represented in games? Absolutely. Do I think it will happen? You bet. Does the industry itself need to change? Oh, yeah, big time. Am I horribly upset with the way things are at the moment? Yes and no. I'll explain that a little further down.

Gaming is experiencing some growing pains at the moment. More women are playing games, or at least admitting to playing games, now than in previous decades. What used to be perceived as the pastime of teenage boys and losers who lived in their parents' basements is now mainstream. And there is nothing wrong with that. There is also nothing wrong with the industry changing to meet the expectations of a broader audience. Just because I've grown up playing with the boys and can hold my own and am usually not easily offended doesn't mean that younger women should have to do the same. And if they want to see changes made, then they are going to have to be the ones to make them. And I am confident that they will. More girls are becoming interested in game design, and as they do, more women will be involved, and the more women who are involved, the more they will change things. Hopefully for the better.

The big issue I have with the raging “debate” that is going on now is the misuse of the term “misogyny”. Misogyny is hatred of women. Many people who use the term misogyny really mean objectification. And there is certainly plenty of that in games, trust me. From the overly-endowed characters like Lara Croft in the earlier games to the ridiculous proportions of the Sorceress in Dragon's Crown, to the scantily-clad female characters in many Japanese RPGs, there is an abundance of cheap thrills to be had. I laugh at them, but I can see where many woman feel offended. I've gotten to the point where I don't really notice it in games anymore, but I do notice the fact that there are tons of themes for the PS3 dashboard with extremely sexualized near-naked women to choose from, and not one near-naked Chippendale-like guy. In other words: plenty of cheesecake to be had, but the menu is empty of beefcake. Not exactly fair now, is it? Not that I really have any desire for my own bit of eye candy on my PS3 dashboard, but it does make a statement for the industry, and frankly not a very flattering one.

As for misogyny, I really don't see much in terms of games themselves, but some male gamers certainly have misogynistic tendencies. The “go make me a sandwich” mentality is annoying, the name calling is worse, and the antics that I've heard that go on in Playstation Home have made sure that I have yet to ever even enter Home. Essentially, I don't play online with people I don't know because I have no desire to deal with that crap. But it is a minority, I'm sure. I only met two guys on 1up in the long time I was active on the site that ever acted in a misogynistic manner, and it has never happened on Pixlbit. Maybe I'm sheltered, but I have a feeling it's like with everything else in life, a few people are noticeably assholes and give a lot of other people a bad name in the process.

The idea of the princess being rescued by the prince (or the plumber, as the case may be), is only an issue if you see it as one. It's an ancient archetype of a story and is found in just about every culture. I'm not bothered by it, and there are stories out there being told in books, movies and games where the girl does save the boy. Mulan may be my favorite Disney animated movie because of that. And there are many strong female protagonists in games right now. Jade from Beyond Good and Evil, April Ryan from The Longest Journey, Samus Aran from Metroid to name just a few from games that I've played or know a lot about. The games exist, we just need to play them and let developers and publishers know that this is what we want. Change doesn't get made unless the powers that be see a need for it, especially when big business is involved.

Hopefully this rambling mess made sense, it's taken me a week to write and I'm still not sure if I got everything that I meant to say out. I know the topic is a touchy one at the moment, but I felt that maybe a woman's take on it might be needed.


 

Comments

Casey Curran Staff Writer

08/27/2013 at 09:06 PM

Good read. I mostly am sick of this being seen as an us versus them mentality on both sides and just wish people would listen to the points each side has instead of throwing out terms like sexism and misogyny. Basically, the rest of the internet just needs to be more like Pixlbit.

Ranger1

08/27/2013 at 09:15 PM

Casey, thanks. I am, too, which was why I wrote this. We're all gamers, what does it matter if some of us have a Y chromosome and some of have two Xs?

Casey Curran Staff Writer

08/28/2013 at 01:11 AM

Because of this simple formula:

Step 1: Cause controversy

Step 2: Profit at expense of integrity

GrayHaired

08/27/2013 at 10:34 PM

Yeah, I think the Japanese are really fixated on large breasted women. But then again so is the  West. Just look at Lara Croft.   but I agree, the more women get into the development side of video games. Hopefully they will even things out a bit.

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:56 AM

I find myself more amused by the debate than anything else. Game developers aren't doing anything Hollywood hasn't been doing for decades. To be honest, I think there will be more positive changes made in gaming than there will be in the movie industry, and at a much quicker pace. With or without the annoying Anita Sarkeesian.

FAF101

08/27/2013 at 11:18 PM

Good read! And I hear ya being a gaming girl myself. Although like you I kinda have stopped paying attention to the half naked women in some games because its just so common that I feel it's not worth going all grah over anymore like I use to. Granted I do tease my fiance about some of the games he plays that have half naked big boobed girls, but thats about it. I just wish some guys got over it that girls are gamers too and that they need to be shown the same respect that guy gamers are. And I am talking about gamers and developers a like. I wouldn't mind seeing some half naked men now in my games...well thats just me haha. 

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:52 AM

I am not averse to eye candy in my games, as long as there's some for everyone. Kinda like back in grade school when someone would get busted with gum and the teacher would sarcastically ask: "did you bring enough to share with the class?" before she confiscated it. As for the skimpily-clad, big-boobed women in some games, they really don't bother me as much as amuse me. I mean, I don't think they make sports bra in a double D for the original Lara, lol.

Travis Hawks Senior Editor

08/27/2013 at 11:33 PM

A good read for sure! I like your level headed thoughts on the issue and wish everyone else would keep the same sort of calm demeanor as you.

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:30 AM

I think a lot of it comes with age and working mainly with guys.

Ceva

08/27/2013 at 11:47 PM

Great read.  I'm glad you shared your perspective.  

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:56 AM

Thanks for reading!

KnightDriver

08/28/2013 at 02:10 AM

     More women are playing and developing games and I think that's why we've seen some new things this year like a normal looking Lara Croft, more female protagonists like Elle in Last of Us, and women characters now in Call of Duty. I think it's great and I can't wait to see what female developers bring to gaming and how it will inevitably change going forward.

     I mean, I am getting a little tired of every game being about brotastic rampaging. I want to see more games like The Cave. Also, let's have real social interaction in games so nerds like me can learn to speak. I mean, I still go all numb when a woman is around. Help me!

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:33 AM

With Blake's link to that article about Silicon Sisters, it looks like we'll be seeing a lot more games with social interactions and that maybe the glass ceiling in gaming may have a chance of being shattered.

KnightDriver

08/30/2013 at 04:33 PM

I think it might come down to being able to do good facial animations. Developers are getting very close to mastering it. Those guys at Quantic Dream (Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls) are working hard to make it happen. 

Chris Yarger Community Manager

08/28/2013 at 06:25 AM

Loved the write-up Tami, thanks for the share!

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:57 AM

You're welcome! Did Court read it? Curious what her take on things is.

Homelessrook

08/28/2013 at 08:18 AM

Now Tami, you know women belong in three places, a pole, the kitchen and the bedroom. JK, Good read.

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:57 AM

Larry, I'm a woman with a chainsaw - don't make me angry with you! LOL.

Blake Turner Staff Writer

08/28/2013 at 08:28 AM

 Damn good points! I Love that you differentiated between objectification and misogyny. I doubt most man are truly miogynistic, and those who are usually are because they've been seriously hurt by someone. The objectification comes in because of the outdated gender roles.

 Now, I'd like to point out the difference between objectification and attraction. Wanting to see a woman naked isn't objectification, and liking the female figure doesn't make one a pig. Only wanting that is what does it in my opinion. Personally, I'm fine with women in skimpy outfits. I don't think that's the problem in gaming. The problem is that women are painted as either rewards, or they just lack character or depth. They are there specifically to BE eye candy. The problem isn't that women in games should wear more, but that they should BE more. They shouldn't just be objects of desire. They can still look sexy AND be treated like actual people.

 Also, there should be more ugly women in gaming. I'm not talking about the leads, because leading males and females are supposed to be attractive. They are power trips. But supporting males can be ugly as fuck, so why can't the supporting females?

 Anyway, those are just my thoughts, please let me know if I'm wrong.

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:29 AM

Thank you for adding your thoughts, Blake. I'm not against having eye candy in games. Like you say, there's a difference between objectification and admiration.

Matt Snee Staff Writer

08/28/2013 at 10:46 AM

great blog Tami!  your points on misogyny are well made.  objectification isn't quite the same. 

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:33 AM

Nope, not at all the same things.

TheMart22

08/28/2013 at 11:23 AM

Thanks for sharing. Great blog.

It's a tough subject to talk about because people tend to very quickly close there ears and just run their mouth.

There is certainly a lot of issues within the industry and society at large when it comes to the depiction of females but to call every man misogynistic for liking something that could be perceived as objectification is wrong. It's human nature to be attracted to things of a sexual nature, whether male, female, gay or straight. I'm not saying everyone wants to see semi-nude women in everything but hell, there's nothing wrong with it if done in a respectful fashion.

For me the most important thing is developing character depth. To portray a woman meerly as a large breasted object is obviously wrong but a well thought out female character who just so happens to have large breasts, I think, is fine. At the end of the day, it's down to personal taste and the designers art style.

Sexism is an extremely important topic both in society at large and by extension the games industry. At the end of the day, if gamers really want to impact the portrayal of females, it has to be done exactly as you say, by hitting the publishers in their wallet.

Sorry, this was rather long winded Laughing

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:35 AM

Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts. I didn't quite manage to get everything that I wanted to say said in a coherent fashion, so having people like you and Blake make such good points is great.

transmet2033

08/28/2013 at 11:39 AM

I wish that I had more to say than just "thank you"

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:58 AM

Thanks for reading, and you're welcome.

jgusw

08/28/2013 at 03:06 PM

Damn good blog, Tami. Cool

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:59 AM

Thanks, James!

Machocruz

08/28/2013 at 08:33 PM

Some random thoughts.

-I'm confident in saying most males who put 'sexy chicks' in games do not hate woman. Actually, they probably love women but are not allowed to express this without being humiliated or ignored. That the expression is not the most flattering or assured does not mean there is hate bubbling underneath the surface.

-There are no average looking female leads in games that I can think of; characters like Jade and Samus are still part of the 'problem.' When an average or homely looking character with an akward body gets to be the heroine, and that game sells, then I will be convinced we have made any artistic or cultural progress. Art holds the mirror up to nature. Nature is not just comprised of beautiful people with athletic figures.

-Damsel-in-distress is a product of a culture of chivalry. Fairy tales and fantasies are often set in such cultures. In these cultures, a male being protective of women in a dangerous circumstance is expected behavior, which may have possibly been appreciated by the women of the time. These tales, though socially outdated, are still fair ground for adaptation. No one living can speak for the people who lived in these old cultures. The women may find our judgments of their culture insulting.

-In further defense of D.I.D., I must say that in a (fantasy) world where the strength of your sword arm is of the utmost importance, that it's more believable for men to do most of the saving. I think physically strong women, probably like you are being a park ranger and all, aren't limited in the world the same way average women are, and have different outlook on how things can or should be. Not saying the trope is great, but it works in its own stereotypical, archetypical way.

-Until young American males get over their fear of seeing male genitalia or sexuality on their screens and in their comic pages, I will be a steep uphill climb to reach equality in dashboard themes. Otherwise, one must hope there is a large market of female and homosexual male purchasers waiting for such options to be available to them.

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 11:00 AM

Um, I'm pretty sure I said most of that in my blog. But thanks for reading. And as for male nudity - no thanks. Scantily clad will be fine, 'cause let's face it: the male package isn't all that attractive.

Halochief90

08/28/2013 at 09:05 PM

Cool, it was good to hear your opinion on this issue. I'm pretty sure I thought misogny meant objectivication before so I'm glad that was cleared up! Luckily, I'm pretty sure I've avoided using that term until now anyway.

I also think you hit on one thing I don't like about Anita that I couldn't put my finger on  and that she is not, or does not seem to be, a very enthusiastic or knowledgable gamer. Like you say, she probably just is using gaming to make a name for herself.  That certainly isn't doing the perception of female gamers any favours.

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:48 AM

I've written with a dictionary by my side all my life and to see people using a word that they really don't understand the meaning of bugs me. Especially one like misogyny. As for Anita, if you hadn't noticed before, she really annoys me.

GeminiMan78

08/29/2013 at 02:07 AM

You pretty much nailed it. In the case of Anita Sarkeesian she needs to apply a process I learned way back in my my higschool art class. It called contructive critcism. You don't merely point out what you don't like. You explain why you don't like it and how you would fix it. And its a take it or leave it approach. But like you said, I don't think she is bringing this issue up for the right reasons or using the right approach.

Ranger1

08/30/2013 at 10:43 AM

She drives me nuts! It wouldn't bother me so much if she hadn't pulled in so much money through Kickstarter and had so many people making her "A BIG DEAL". She's not, somehow she's just managed to get noticed. She'd have a much more positive impact on gaming if she'd use that money to help fund a game with the kind of women she'd like to see in a game, or set up a scholarship for girls who want to get into game development. Go to Blake's (whatsacow) blog and follow the link to the interview on plus10gaming with the head of Silicon Sisters. I'm far more impressed with that woman than I ever will be with Anita Sarkeesian.

GeminiMan78

08/30/2013 at 01:18 PM

Yeah, I read it. They have the right idea.

Jonathan Drake

08/30/2013 at 05:13 PM

Great blog, I am glad for that Recent Comments tab, otherwise I would have missed it. 

 

Super Step Contributing Writer

08/31/2013 at 03:38 PM

Finally, a woman makes a blog on the subject. Nothing wrong with us guys weighing in too in my view, since we all have to live together, but Pixlbit blogs about this topic have mostly come from males. Thank you for varying it up a bit. 

I more or less agree with all the points you made, so not much to add other than I just got done watching Legend of Korra again. It was still awesome, and I still actually enjoy that ending, I don't care what anyone says. 

Oh actually, I will agree wholeheartedly with the fact games themselves are more ridiculous and objectifying than mysogonistic, and that it's a handful giving the group a bad name with stupid, stupid, stupid crap like the "fake girl gamer" thing that happened at a con recently. I should source what I say better, but I'm sure when I actually start writing these research papers, I will get to it, I'll just be lazy and let you Google if interested for now. lol

Ranger1

09/02/2013 at 09:36 PM

I'm too lazy and tired to google it. I think I vaguely remember hearing about it...

Actually, I think it was either you or Angelo Grant mentioning that so far most people weighing in on the subject on Pixlbit were guys that got me to write this, so pat yourself on the back.

Sonicbug

09/02/2013 at 09:24 PM

I pretty much agree with your entire take on the situation.  If I wasn't so buy I probably would have written a blog just like this.  Thankfully now I don't have to!  Thanks for telling it like it is.

Ranger1

09/02/2013 at 09:54 PM

Thanks for reading and commenting. I figured you and I would be on the same page.

BrokenH

09/05/2013 at 11:21 PM

That's where I see the ugliness come into play too. Not so much the "sexy visual style" in games (though yeah,it can get plenty ridiculous at times! At least include just as much beefcake as cheesecake,devs!) but more so when real female gamers have to put up with sexist comments and being picked on in chat lobbies and online matches. If I had money and more time I would rally to get the interactive multi-player community to be more inclusive and less abrasive.

 Not to the point people cannot tell the occasional dirty joke but moreso to decipher the intent behind what's being said. It's not difficult for us to perceive the difference between a friendly heckler and an asshole who excels at being a jerk-weasel.

 I know some gamers think "trash-talking" is apart of the culture and to an extent it should be allowed. However there's a big difference between calling someone a "noob" and calling them a nigger. Likewise there's a distinct line between saying "You got pwnt,LULZ!' and saying "Now that I'm victorious make me a sandwich, sweet-tits!" As a moderator I'd tolerate the more extreme vernacular only if I knew the people spouting it to each other were laughing and were close friends. Goading people to get an upset reaction is a whole different story. Online bullying should not be tolerated on any server.

 From a male perspective I am kind of scared though,Tami. Not because gaming is broadening to include women but rather that radical feminism (Aka,people like Anita Sarkeesian) would try to water everything down to the point all games are bland and lifeless.

 I'm not so sure art & entertainment should always be "politically correct" or be tailored to fit one person's or one group's personal ideologies. 

NSonic79

09/08/2013 at 01:35 AM

You took the words right out of my mouth, except for the fact I'm a man I understand where your coming from with the ideas you speak of. I still wonder if anyone should be offended that Anita would do what she did to get her name out there. sadly with this day and age of the internet, one can be like such to make it easier to be known. Acting civlized sadly does not go well on here.

retroyoshi

09/10/2013 at 07:12 PM

Kudos to you, good madam :-)  I had a longer and more detailed comment, but Pixlbit was giving my computer fits for a while (sorry, guys), and I forgot it.  Perhaps I'll think of it later...

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